eccothekitten ([info]eccothekitten) wrote,
@ 2007-04-25 13:49:00
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Current location:class
Current mood: thoughtful

tintinnabulations
Woo! one paper down and one revision, pop quiz, final exam, presentation, and final paper to go! then the semester is over and I get to experience relief similar to being rescued from under a 500 pound rock after 30 hours.
My ten page paper, which I wrote this morning, went off without a hitch. Legible, organized, and on fucking time above all. So now I'm in class, posting in the middle of a slow, scholarly, studdering guest speaker on Socrates, with no syllabus other than answering our questions, of which I personally have none, because I just spent 5 months researching the man myself for a good grade.
Karla's opening goes up soon, and amon tobin willl be here sunday, every self-respecting electronica enthusiast should be there, with or without knowing his work, but knowing no more than he's a major, intellectual, pioneering, hybridizing digital composer... so delight your ears!

An abridged theory for you:
So there's more than one dark age in written history. In fact, a dark age is a period where we have no idea what's going on, what happened, and why because all the archeology of the period has disappeared almsot completely. No graves to dig up, no wall paintings, no stoen carvings, no account for the sudden silence. They happen in every lineage, and our history is too short to short to say so yet, but I think it happens on a regular basis.

We're due for one.

Let's look at antiquity for a moment. The earliest dark age I know of is somewhere around 2700 BCE (Before Common Era) and the next one is from 1200-800 BCE. so they're about... a millenium and a half apart, but as the gap between evolutions grows shorter, and the last darkage in western history was what... 900 CE (Common Era) I forget the years. Anyway, the high classical period is named such because it was birth and zenith of much of modern society: democracy, art, philosophy, science, mathematics, etc. These people had drills they used on marble without electricity. They built temples a hundred feet high without cranes. They calculated the density of silver without calculators. They wrote encyclopedias without paper, they had indoor plumbing without pumps, without generators, without purifiers... they mapped the galaxy without satellites, they moved an endless ton with rope and pulleys, Athens had a pure near 100% democracy, they put human conciousness on the map! So far, we haven't added a whole lot other than stylistic additions to what they've already provided for us, like electricity, plastic, the internet, nihilism, and nueroscience.

This isn't exactly possible becuase of the sheer population of earth, but it's fun to think about:

We are becoming so specialized, we will soon be helpless. How long before mechanics are people who learn the menus of the computers that fix cars, and know nothing of cars themselves? how long before people can't parallel park a car made in 2000, because all cars newer come equipped with rear cameras and laser measurement tools? how long before we cannot sew together our clothes, we cannot grow our own food, we cannot treat our own symptoms, we cannot read a map??? That's an important one. I mean, what would happen if we lost the art of preserving food, long enough for it to conveniently arrive in the corniacopic phenomenon we call a gorcery store, we'd all be fucked! Farmers would suddenly be thought of as wise, powerful men, and not uneducated social throwbacks. Our history could easily become entirely electronic. Our information and resources could be entirely virtual, things that would be artifacts centuries from now will be invisible, spread over thousands of bits of untracable fiber optic pixels. Our schedules, our bank accounts, our letters, or emails, our journals... all will be lost when our fragile electro-ecosystem, based entirely on a corporeal one, fails, and we have no experience with unvirtual life? isn't that what a dark age is?

Believe you me, it is abridged.

shmoodle





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[info]pat_man_ta
2007-04-25 06:45 pm UTC (link)
hm, an interesting hypothesis.

it makes me glad that i at least know how to put a seed in dirt, halfway fix a car and competently operate a variety of firearms.

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[info]popetom
2007-04-25 07:02 pm UTC (link)
I need to disagree with this:

"So far, we haven't added a whole lot other than stylistic additions to what they've already provided for us"

Artificial satellites
Synthetic elements
Voyager 1 & 2
The Apollo Project
General Relativity
Quantum Mechanics
Nuclear fission
Being able to go almost anywhere in the world in less then 24 hours.
Discovery of Extrasolar planets

"If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants."
- Isaac Newton

But, but standing on the shoulders of giants we have become giants ourselves.

-PT


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[info]eccothekitten
2007-04-25 10:10 pm UTC (link)
it's meant to be a sardonic overview, I covered satellites, and synthetic elements, as plastic, and the rest of them really are stylistic additions, like quantum to both math and science, which I mentioned, nuclear fission to science, planets to astronomy, voyager to entertainment, etc. Alright, I'll give you trasportation, but I'm insulted you think I could genuinely believe with some sincerity the difference between now and then is only five things...

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[info]popetom
2007-04-26 03:30 am UTC (link)
You used the word theory, so I though you might be open for discussion/debate on the topic. My mistake.

While rebuttals can be made to the comparisons you made in your reply I will refrain from doing so, unless you are truly curious. The one I need to ask you about though is "voyager to entertainment" I am unsure how you draw that conclusion.

Plus to assume that I think you believe that the difference between now and then is confined to your list of five things is a mistake, there are other reasons you could could have listed only five.

Also, my desire to discuss/debate with you on something you post should never be considered an insult, it is quite the opposite in fact.

-PT

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[info]eccothekitten
2007-04-27 03:54 pm UTC (link)
Fair enough.

Voyager = my dork is showing, I was thinking the newer Star Trek strain.

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[info]gabrielnaylor
2007-04-29 08:50 pm UTC (link)
Mankind has choices to make. The majority of this species has determined to let technology guide our fates. It could have just as easily been religion or some other specialization. Fact is, humans are not a very hearty creature without tools and technology. And while we are putting all our eggs in the proverbial basket by allowing technology to overtake our abilities, I suppose it is the price we pay for "progress."

Like you, I believe in a few years time we will be quite clueless how to live without the society. It was thanks to specialization that artisans, for example, could master their craft. If everyone was responsible for growing their own food, making their own shelter, etc... then there would not be so much time to focus on a particular skill. After all, what are the merchants without the goods?

I wrote a lengthy story a number of years ago about this very concept. Of course, it includes religion as I tend to see the conglomeration of a collective entity no different than that of government. And unlike a country's government, it has no borders.

Humanity takes a risk, hoping no disaster will be so comprehensive that we can't implement our system. How long before we won't have to physically move anymore? All interactions taking place virtually, selling our mind's processing time for compensation in virtual credits as our iv's provide the perfect nutrition and the great machine backs up our mental state nightly... For that is the next stage of specialization. When death is no longer a concern, think of our priorities then...

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